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and i wasnt trying to contradict you, i was supporting you :P

My failing to quite understand where your post was pointing at proves another thing.

Let us say I would have been angry because you disagreed and I flamed you.

Am I evil because I flamed you, or am I just stupid? Of course I would not do that, but in any case, forgive my wrong perception, heh.

So how can the results of one be good or evil if one is simply ignorant?

If good and evil were so contrast as people believe, idiocy or confusion would not exist..

Im not sure if it was a "good" or "bad" decision, but i did whats best in my opinion for everyone

Trust me, it sucks...

I have been through the same damn thing, when one of my father's friends kept saying bad things of my father and another man.
I swore I would say nothing, then went and told my father and the other man involved. I had THEM swear they would not tell the man who said these things I told them everything. And they did, so I passed for a rat and a blabbermouth.

Like you have said, I wanted to do it for the best of everyone, but in truth, my intentions were much more towards myself then anything else.

I think it was all a whole scam and that my father and his friends set this up to teach me a lesson.

They never told me so, but later on thinking of this, I came up with the conclusion, because the whole affair was rather pathetic.

So today, when these things happen for real, I keep quiet. Let them deal with their problems, because my perceptions of good do not apply to everyone.

This is why I have trouble discerning good and evil, EVEN in personal perception.

Am I being good for not getting in people's affairs, or evil for helping no one?

Was I evil for blabbing to everyone, or not? Rather was I selfish, or ignorant?

Things such as selfishness, ignorance, fear, desire or impudence are so much more real then good and evil, and I think that the perception we may give to these alignments are ways to hide the raw truth we despise, which goes back to the subject of religious symbolism..

Either way you have to admit that it is a good metaphor, even if it isn't true. Anyway...

Yes, I admit its logic. Although it still remains that such a way to see things is rather relative.

If cold does not exist, why does ice exist? If you have a freezer, it generates cold weather to keep things frozen, no matter how much heat there is. It creates the cold, therefore such a thing exists. Unless it chases away the heat maybe?
I do not really know how a freezer works, plus one does not have much to do with philosophy..still, I can hardly blame Einstein, since in his age there were no freezers...

But with the subject of death, I do agree with you. We cannot create death, we can, however, take some life away.

But still...if this absence of life did not exist, we would not have life itself to define ''death'', so without the absence of life, we cannot define life.

Maybe it is like time? Does time truly exist, or is it a definition that we have given to the motion of life, aging and all? The earth circulates the Sun and creates day and night and years, but that is not really time, is it...?
I think I see what you mean..

But even so, I have some trouble trying to attribute such a way of thought to good and evil, especially since you yourself have made it clear of your opinion, that most of it is up to one's perception. I think the same, but because there are many things to replace good and evil.
To me being insane, whatever that is, is not good or evil, even right or wrong. It is an element all its own. Fear as well. Almost everything which I know to be real render imaginary things such as good and evil void. In fact, I believe they serve as nothing but cop-outs for, like you mentioned as well, our limited knowledge.

But, like with heat/ cold, there could be a source. Heat doesn't merely exist, as with everything, so that is why I believe that the good of God and the evil of the devil, or wherever the origin comes in is absolute.

Now I understand what you meant. Sorry for the confusion, I did not quite grasp it the first time.
I can only agree with you about that.

So what imposes it on the world and humanity itself?

Actually, such is a good point. I understand all that, but I never actually thought of where it might actually start, although to me, everything must have a beginning and an end. Nothing does not exist, nor does eternity..

And although science is infantile and perhaps proves we should not even be bearing such consciousness, I have always theorized that it is because mankind must learn to live with itself. (Or tHAT is a way to live with itself.)
And with that logic however, we would have to question the existence of God Himself.

Shouldn't natural selection have weeded out this sensless "yearning to do what is good"?

Do you not think this is what nature IS doing?

To give necessary fear and ideals to others, some must play a role. If a man is born to become a fireman, as an example, then perhaps it was his natural role. (Just like, years ago, a man might have been born to die as a knight in a war.)
And such things, I do not believe to be so obvious or evident to the ''naked eye'', if I may put it as so...

Or in any case, this is part of what I believe the cycle of life to be. Rather vague, but here is not really the topic where I should speak of it.

We have emotions to think it ridiculous, but the subconscious doesn't, exactly like a tornado has no emotion either.

Or..if one believes in God..here is a saying..

The Lord weeds out his garden so that the flowers may grow.

This was said to me one day, when I asked why would God have created tobacco, so that people may harvest it, smoke it and then die of it like flies.

So, are all smokers evil? Do they deserve to die? Is making a stupid decision evil?

If good and evil are subjective, then why is God so rash? And if good and evil ARE absolute, given my love of life, then God truly is evil and I could never yield to Him..

So..with your obvious wisdom, I cannot help but ask myself just what kind of god you believe in..?

You believe God is real for you have said so...but how do you believe? Your belief must give definition to its source?