God/Jesus/The Holy Spirit - Page 5 - Final Fantasy Net

Kefka · #41 05-23-2006, 06:17 PM

I said suffering, not evil, this includes Tornados, Earthquakes, Tsunami's and Volcanoes. Natural disasters kill alot more people than anything else, if God loved us so much: why would he create them?
Also, why can't he be evil? There's no definition or proof anywhere which says he is good just as there is no definition or proof of God himself, immediately as the world is created suffering is created. Who's to say the world wasn't created for us to suffer?

Snaggle_Tongue · #42 05-23-2006, 06:33 PM

God, quite obviously, is fallable.
The very story of the Tree of Wisdom is proof of this! God's very favourite angel, his most trusted, betrayed him and was cast out of heaven.

Kefka · #43 05-23-2006, 06:39 PM

As stated by my RE teacher: The story of Adam and Eve never happened, it mearly is to represent Male and Female.

Snaggle_Tongue · #44 05-23-2006, 07:01 PM

I'm not saying the story is true. I'm not claiming any of it is true. Merely saying that even the gods are Fallable. Every god, every higher being, has a flaw.

liambutler · #45 05-23-2006, 10:02 PM

EDIT: bravo on highlighting your stupidity...

khil1 · #46 05-23-2006, 10:25 PM

But that is impossible, God cannot be fallible. Why must God have a flaw?

God cannot be evil, it is impossible no matter how you look at it; the whole moral foundation would be turned around.

"Tornados, Earthquakes, Tsunami's and Volcanoes"
All of these things are needed for the earth to be habitable.

Yes, you did say suffer but if Eve had not chosen to eat from the tree, then humans would not be evil and suffering would not even a concept.

Quick question, whats an RE teacher?

liambutler · #47 05-23-2006, 10:50 PM

i would like to apologise for the post which is under my name in this thread

my

sister posted when i was away from the computer
i hope nobody took offence to the post

to khil1: re is "religious education"

DayBreak Bahamut · #48 05-24-2006, 12:54 AM

Well if u look at life everything has a flaw, everything. For instance Bush believes he is doing good but he is also killing soldiers BUT to protect his country. Arnold Shwartzenegar is governor and his decisions arent that bad but yet his vocab completely messes him up, Ive been considered a Prodigy of the Violin yet i failed math horribaly while others got 6% in music but 80% in Math. The thing is everything has a flaw, nothing is perfect otherwise the world would be in chaos, for if one man with human intelligence decides to ask why he would probably be killed. And if God is perfect, then why are there tsunamis, earthquakes and volcanoes as someone said. Why is there suffering on this planet while he watches us. yet weve said his name in vain almost everyday or lied that we dont have homeowork, so the idea of everything is perfect jsut scares me horribly, its like the world would be in ruins if it was perfect. I believe in a higherarchy or Superior BEing, but not one that is perfect.

khil1 · #49 05-24-2006, 03:06 AM

Just because everything on earth has a flaw does not mean God, who is beyond those rules, has one.

"Why is there suffering on this planet while he watches us. yet weve said his name in vain almost everyday or lied that we dont have homeowork"

Because we have free will. Do you think God likes watching you suffer? No, but he has given us a way out, God sent his Son down to earth to die for our sins. See the penalty for sin is death, but Jesus died for us, He was perfect, never had He sinned but He died for our sins; so that we could go to heaven and be free of this suffering.
Would you send you son to die for people that time and time again sin against you? I do not think so.

"so the idea of everything is perfect jsut scares me horribly, its like the world would be in ruins if it was perfect"
Why does it scare you?

Why would the world be in chaos?

Here is a question what does holy mean?

P.S. Where do you go to school Kefka? I mean, public, private...

Kefka · #50 05-24-2006, 08:18 AM

I could believe in God if the Christian Church hadn't changed so many things about religion:
Such as changing the Pagan sign for Male and Female to the sign of the devil.
Or claiming that Pagans are evil when they were the ones who had written the Bible.
I have to be honest but if I wanted to believe in God, i'd change over to Paganism rather than stay with the manipulated facts the Christian Church produced.
Note that I have nothing against people who follow Christianity.