God/Jesus/The Holy Spirit

[khil1]

1. Perfection does not mean everything is the same, perfection means no flaws, no defects.

2. How do you know he is not doing something? God has a plan for everything. He has given us free will to live as we choose. I do not know where you heard that the planet is dying faster than it should but how fast should it be dying? This planet was created for humans to live on it, no other planet that we have found can sustain life. And if you are crazy enough to believe that some random "bang" created all of these, then you are poorly informed.

[Kefka]

Originally Posted by Khil1

1. Perfection does not mean everything is the same, perfection means no flaws, no defectsp

Exactly, nothing is perfect, perfection means every single person on the entire Earth has to think you're perfect and in every detail. Which no one on this planet is, thousands of people (Atheists and Agnostics) believe God isn't perfect, therefore he isn't.

Originally Posted by khil1

2. How do you know he is not doing something? God has a plan for everything. He has given us free will to live as we choose. I do not know where you heard that the planet is dying faster than it should but how fast should it be dying? This planet was created for humans to live on it, no other planet that we have found can sustain life. And if you are crazy enough to believe that some random "bang" created all of these, then you are poorly informed.

The moon infact, has ice in its core meaning it may be possible to substain life.
If God knows the future we don't have free-will because we are following a script God made; meaning every we do is not of our own desire.
And about the Big Bang theory: most religious people are becoming more and more worried because the BB theory makes more and more sense every minute.

The simple proof is: The Earth has Magma inside of it, now, that Magma must have come from somewhere, maybe from when the Sun exploded in the BB theory?
The Earth was created by the Sun exploding, a piece of Magma formed a piece of crust around it forming the planet we have today.
And about the Water, Oxygen, etc. I would put it; but can't be bothered, but there are sciencetific explanation's for them.

[DayBreak Bahamut]

See, the thing that really pisses me off about the religion of Catholism or Christianity
is that you can convince and convince and convince but they still can just say " Well God Did this and how do u know hes not there" or " BEcause it was gods will" or " God Created this" like, if u look at all the proof we showed you compared to ur answers, u would be buried in truth that hurts you, but anyway.

[RAGNAROCK]

Originally Posted by Snaggle_Tongue

Yes, He trusted Lucifer. Lucifer was suffering from the sin of jealousy, towards Adam and Eve. Lucifer lied to them, tempted Eve into eating the apple. She ate the apple, and made Adam do the same. They gained knowledge, but sacraficed their innocence. For disobeying God, they were forced to leave the garden. Lucifer's punishment was being cast out from heaven.

lucifer was cast out of heaven for rebelling against god in a act of war the garden was only one of his many still look at it from his point he gets royally screwed and has to kiss gods arse as it were and we get to do as we will and god forgives us bit annoying for the devil no? still you think that a omnipotent god would bloody well realise this its all stupid in the end cause well well why even explain its obvious why create your own enemy ? when you know thats what he will become

[khil1]

No, the perfection you are describing is wrong. If a master metal worker made something, he made it as perfect as possible, and somebody came in and did not think it was perfect, would that make it not? That is like saying "I think you are wrong, therefore you are." It simply is not true.

Yes, there are some moons that could, possibly sustain life of a micro-organism but do you really think that the Earth which is perfectly suited for Human life just was created out of a random explosion. And the fact is, in science most scientists do not study evolution or the big bang very much, it takes too much time away from their field of work, which nowadays requires you to focus on it or be left behind. Besides none of evolution or the big bang have any completely solid ground to stand on.

Daybreak, I understand but listen, one that often comes from people that do not know about the subject that they have been confronted with, so it is their only option.
And two, asking us to separate from our faith so that we can do "scientific" battle with you, is like asking you to forget about gravity.

Ragnarock, God allowed the devil to become what he is so that we would have free will. What kind of choice is it when you can you only have two answers that mean the same thing?

[Snaggle_Tongue]

But before that, we had been making the free will to listen to God, and to love and adore him.
Really, this section is more a story of growing up rather than anything else.

[khil1]

Yes, we did have that choice but if we were not tempted then we would not have know we had a choice, so we never would have had the chance to choose one or the other.

[RAGNAROCK]

Originally Posted by khil1

Ragnarock, God allowed the devil to become what he is so that we would have free will. What kind of choice is it when you can you only have two answers that mean the same thing?

however acording to the church ONLY we have free will angles do not and if god is so great and kind and loving the age old argument why doesnt he stop tragedys hmm? lol but seriously examine are free will why are we given it to be constrained? and why if as according to the great theologians god is more intelligent than anyone or thing in the universe he would set up this entire rigamorale as he could imagine it and live it without creating it

[Kefka]

If God knew Lucifer was going to become Satan; then it wasn't Lucifers free-will since God made it into this so-called "Grand-design". If God has made the Past, Present and Future we don't have free-will as all our choices are ultimately decided and made by God.

[DayBreak Bahamut]

thats true ,and i never said " I wanna change ur religion" i was just stating what i thought