God/Jesus/The Holy Spirit

[Kefka]

Originally Posted by khil1

What would have happened if the people in history had not believed the things they could not explain?

Well, like Zorrin said how could you believe in something you can't explain? That's just stupid.
Also what things in Science can't be explained? They might not be able to be explained but there's proof for them existing at least.
Which do you thinks sounds more reasonable:

1) (Sciencetific) Our cells evolved from Apes (Hominidae), we also have some characteristics that are similar to Apes: such as some of our body parts that look similar. Which would explain why Humans have the useless organ, the Appendix, which was used by the animals which evolved into Apes.

2) (God theory) We were made from the "Soil of the Earth", God took a piece of Soil formed it into the Human Body shell and gave the breath of life into it. The same was done for the woman but she was made from a Man's Rib.

Also, you have to think about other animals on this too, nothing Humans have seperates us from animals.

[Captain Killa]

look at every great person in the past, they usually found things before they explained them, like flemming and penecillin, that guy and the atom, and newton and gravity

[Kefka]

Originally Posted by Captain Killa

look at every great person in the past, they usually found things before they explained them, like flemming and penecillin, that guy and the atom, and newton and gravity

What I meant was how could you explain something before you discover it?
It's like me saying "I'm going to discover a cure for bird-flu." How could I have explained it when I don't know the cure? Everything in this world was discovered before it was explained, no exceptions.

[Captain Killa]

that is true, before you can make a cure, you must understand what you are curing, before you make something, you must know what you are making,

[khil1]

Shrugged and gotten on with life??
But if god really is up there then how come we loose so many people every year to natural disasters, tidal waves, earthquakes landslides etc. they cant be blamed on free will. Unless of course god wants these people to die? If he wants them to live then why doesnt he save them? or as a third posibility maybe he just doesnt care?
--Z

Yes, God made the earth and the natural disasters, God has a plan for everything, just because we may not see it does not mean it is not there.

khil1 it's called Darwin's evolution theory, and the only reason it is still a theory is because the church kicked up alot about it because it proves the bible wrong. Also it HAS been proven that we did evolve from singled celled organisms. I would actualy be surprised if you have heard any of this since most religious parents remove there children from biology when this is getting taught.

I learned about it, and I want a links to the proof that we did "evolve" because that is, as far as I know, a lie. Really, I will not argue unless I have seen the proof.

One last question for you then how can a "god" or even why would a god have so meany people born with mental health illnesses and learning disabilities. Then if that wasnt enough they get bullied and marginalized all there lifes and in some cultures around the world if female they get brutally raped and murderd how can that be justified

Why should God, the creator of all things, Justify what He does to you? God does everything for people, sometimes the many but most of the time for the individuals.

Well, like Zorrin said how could you believe in something you can't explain? That's just stupid.
Also what things in Science can't be explained? They might not be able to be explained but there's proof for them existing at least.

There is plenty of proof of God existing, look around you. Can you truly believe that this planet, this universe, could have just "evolved"? I doubt it, there are so many things that are just right, a little difference and things would go terribly wrong. And why must we explain everything? Why do you fear the unknown?

Which do you thinks sounds more reasonable:

1) (Sciencetific) Our cells evolved from Apes (Hominidae), we also have some characteristics that are similar to Apes: such as some of our body parts that look similar. Which would explain why Humans have the useless organ, the Appendix, which was used by the animals which evolved into Apes.

Why must we have evolved from apes? Just because we share simiallitys, we evolved from them?

2) (God theory) We were made from the "Soil of the Earth", God took a piece of Soil formed it into the Human Body shell and gave the breath of life into it. The same was done for the woman but she was made from a Man's Rib.

Also, you have to think about other animals on this too, nothing Humans have seperates us from animals.

What!?! You think that we are not seperate from animals? Look at what you are reading off of, heck look you are reading, do you think animals could do that? Animals do not think the way we do at all, sure you can TRAIN a monkey to do things when it wants something but you cannot teach it to think the way we do.

What I meant was how could you explain something before you discover it?
It's like me saying "I'm going to discover a cure for bird-flu." How could I have explained it when I don't know the cure? Everything in this world was discovered before it was explained, no exceptions.

Yes, exceptions, there is math that can be explained but not discovered yet. I need to know the definition of "discovered" you are using.

[Kefka]

Originally Posted by khil1

I learned about it, and I want a links to the proof that we did "evolve" because that is, as far as I know, a lie. Really, I will not argue unless I have seen the proof.

What do you mean links? Internet Links? You don't need them because it's so obvious that we evolved.

Originally Posted by khil1

Why should God, the creator of all things, Justify what He does to you? God does everything for people, sometimes the many but most of the time for the individuals.

Because it's our lives, I command and choose my own path in life.

Originally Posted by khil1

There is plenty of proof of God existing, look around you. Can you truly believe that this planet, this universe, could have just "evolved"? I doubt it, there are so many things that are just right, a little difference and things would go terribly wrong. And why must we explain everything? Why do you fear the unknown?

Many Sciencetists have created life by accident such as one sciencetist (I'll post the name of him later) created his own insect. Proof is physical evidence, there is no physical evidence of God, just because theres life doesen't mean there has to be a God.

Originally Posted by khil1

Why must we have evolved from apes? Just because we share simiallitys, we evolved from them?

Not just Humans and Apes, theres many animals which look like the things they evolved from, like Cats, they also have the same instincts.

Originally Posted by khil1

What!?! You think that we are not seperate from animals? Look at what you are reading off of, heck look you are reading, do you think animals could do that? Animals do not think the way we do at all, sure you can TRAIN a monkey to do things when it wants something but you cannot teach it to think the way we do.

What?!? You consider our intelligence, something which is literally destroying our planet a positive thing? Brain power doesn't make us better than any other animal, despite our intelligence, were still animals.

[Cushy]

well heres one for a start and once you have read this and your still not convinced i will then give you more links http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution this is a toned down version of the "evidence" you wanted

[Snaggle_Tongue]

If I were Christian, I would believe the Bible to be moral stories: I would certainly be a non-literalist. I would believe that He made the Earth, and made the conditions so that we evolved.

[Zorrin Cthan]

Originally Posted by khil1

Yes, God made the earth and the natural disasters, God has a plan for everything, just because we may not see it does not mean it is not there.


Why should God, the creator of all things, Justify what He does to you? God does everything for people, sometimes the many but most of the time for the individuals.

So he PLANNED for these people to die? why did they deserve to die? what about the the little child of five who was crushed under a couple ton of rock? If this is the plan of god then i dont hold him in any higher view then the low-life murders that haunt back allies waiting to jump out and stab someone for a few bucks of pizza money.

2. He should justify himself because these people born with disabilities had this forced upon them, they did not CHOOSE to be born as such, he decided that they should, where was his oh so precious free choice then? or don't they get it? aren't they perfect enough to be aloud to choose their own life?

[khil1]

What do you mean links? Internet Links? You don't need them because it's so obvious that we evolved.

Of course I need links, the theory that we evolved has yet to come to any kind of conclusion.

Because it's our lives, I command and choose my own path in life.

Your right, you do but does a solider ask about why something happened? No, not generally and generally when asked he does not get an answer.

Many Scientists have created life by accident such as one Scientist (I'll post the name of him later) created his own insect. Proof is physical evidence, there is no physical evidence of God, just because there’s life doesn’t mean there has to be a God.

What? No, life can be created, sure there are real ligers but they cannot survive without care and cannot mate but they are alive. To have a planet with so many things living on it and continuing to live, it is impossible to have happen by accident. Since when did science stop with the physical? There are things that have been proven with math and never tried. And when did science have all the answers?

Not just Humans and Apes, there’s many animals which look like the things they evolved from, like Cats, they also have the same instincts.

That is because they belong to the same family. When you make something do you break the mold? Or to you keep it and use it for something else?

What?!? You consider our intelligence, something which is literally destroying our planet a positive thing? Brain power doesn't make us better than any other animal, despite our intelligence, were still animals.

Destroying the planet? No, we are not destroying the planet; there is no hole in the ozone layer. Yes, there are things that are happening that are not good but destroying it is a little much. It is like saying I am destroying this keyboard by typing on it, yes, someday it will be destroying if I continued to use it but only God lasts forever.

well here’s one for a start and once you have read this and your still not convinced I will then give you more links http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution this is a toned down version of the "evidence" you wanted

First, Wikipedia is not a good source; they will not accept it in college, so I will not accept it here because it is not always accurate. Second that really is not evidence; it is just a copy of the theory of evolution for the most part.

If I were Christian, I would believe the Bible to be moral stories: I would certainly be a non-literalist. I would believe that He made the Earth, and made the conditions so that we evolved.

Then you would not be a Christian, because Christians believe that Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead three days later. They believe the Bible is true not just "moral stories" though it does have quite a few in there.

So he PLANNED for these people to die? Why did they deserve to die? What about the little child of five who was crushed under a couple ton of rock? If this is the plan of god then I don’t hold him in any higher view then the low-life murders that haunt back allies waiting to jump out and stab someone for a few bucks of pizza money.

God has a plan for everything, but unlike us He sees the whole rug while we just see our single strand of it. God plans big, for all you know the death of that child has set in motion the cure AIDS or HIV or maybe the invention of a new fuel source. The point is you are only seeing what happened while God sees the good that will come out of it. So you see God as a murder? Why? God may have planned for those rocks to fall if the boy was there or not but a choice was made that put that boy there. Then there is casualty of war...

2. He should justify himself because these people born with disabilities had this forced upon them, they did not CHOOSE to be born as such, he decided that they should, where was his oh so precious free choice then? Or don't they get it? Aren’t they perfect enough to be aloud to choose their own life?

First, no, nobody is perfect enough to choose their own life.
Second, God is superior to everything, He does not HAVE to justify Himself, ever. Again God makes plans that have a long reach. Everybody has seen a TV show where somebody goes back in time can does a few small things and when they get back to their time everything is different. God sees those things and uses them to his advantage. Do you think God likes to see people suffer and be unhappy? No, God is sad when we suffer but He does what He must. With great power comes great responsibility, which is so very true.

My problem here is that if you do not open yourself to the option that God is real and the Bible is true, you will never believe any of what I have said.