Evolution vs. Creation

[Terminal Est]

There's a saying that goes, "You can have life after death or death after life." Give me your take at what it means.

I imagine it must represent the suggestion that God has given us free will, and therefore we are free to do what we will in life.

Of course there are things which we must follow in order to reach the reward known as Heaven.

So, we are free not to follow God if we wish, or to disobey His rules, such as the Commandments. We can do what we can to remain within His wake, or disregard it altogether, and we know the consequences of our actions, The Bible should be enough to tell us what is wrong and what is right. (The simplicity of it gets complicated if you consider the innocence of mankind and what each individual portrays as ''right'' or ''wrong''.)

The choice belongs to us. It is us who forge our destiny, with what God gives us the choice to do.

I believe such a saying would wish to say this.

I would be curious to know who originally said such a thing?

Because the face of religion, although I believe always owned the same motives, was much different before, and that saying would have been void when judging the actions of the Church and their claims.

That is, unless God is as cruel, but much more apathetic about screwing around with us.

Of course, I am not saying, if God exists, that He is like this, for I could never know, but the humans who represent Him make it hard to believe I could be wrong with their convictions, even today.

Now, if you want to debate evolution, I'll debate evolution. I have evidence that proves creation right. I'll give it to you if you like.

If someone can literally give me the proof that creation is real, then I would very much love to see it.

[The Graceful Assassin]

Proof of either creation or evolution is irrelevant and arbitrary when it boils down to what you BELIEVE. Not what you have faith in or what you can prove. I don't care about evidence, personally.

[Terminal Est]

But is this belief based on what makes sense to you, or desire? The two are very different..
In reading some of your older posts, I cannot say I understand everything about your philosophy, but in a way, I think I might have an idea of what you mean.

You cannot prove, or may not believe, that anything exists other then you, so it would almost be futile to try and have faith in anything, or to seek proof for anything..

[The Graceful Assassin]

Yes I am a very complex and odd person. I don't even think I understand myself lol

My beliefs are what makes sense to me, but at the same time, I struggle with what I desire.

[Terminal Est]

It is the same as me. We all have desires, but if I take them away from what I may believe, everything makes more sense.
Because one cannot make a fact with what they wish..

[Captain Killa]

Creation creates evolution, yet evolution creates creation, its weird, in a way, they're both the same thing,though creation can be more adequate than evolution, yet creation can be obsolite, it really depends

[The Graceful Assassin]

So you're saying that creation took place and set forth evolution. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "evolution creates creation"...

It is possible, Terminal Est, that a belief and a desire can be one in the same. Though that's usually not the case... well it's rarely ever a case, but still...

[Terminal Est]

Hm..well, since no one can ever prove their beliefs, nor can anyone obtain what they desire, then how can we ever know..?

[Captain Killa]

Ultimately people ask this kind of thing to make themselves feel better, usually from a fear of something, like extinction or even their forthcoming death.

And what I mean by evolution creates creation is that when a species evolves, it has to create something NEW, and thus is a creation. Maybe a new gene, or a whole new Dioxyribo Nucleic Acid (DNA) build-up.

[The Graceful Assassin]

I guess you're right but it's not the same creation we are referring to.

We'll never know anything really.... I hate philiosophy and yet it interests me