Advanced Search      

Go Back   Final Fantasy Net - Forum > Neo Final Fantasy Net > General Forum > Debate
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #11  
Old 01-12-2007, 08:40 PM
Phantom's Avatar
Phantom Offline:
Regular Poster
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In a chocolate factory
Posts: 408
Phantom is on a distinguished road
Default

well, i 4got to put that. They wud throw me out even tho they love me greatly
__________________
The Hollow Bastion Restoration Committee



Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 01-12-2007, 08:42 PM
VITG's Avatar
VITG Offline:
Experienced Poster
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 656
VITG is on a distinguished road
Send a message via AIM to VITG Send a message via MSN to VITG
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phantom
well, i 4got to put that. They wud throw me out even tho they love me greatly

They would abandon you? They love you but for breaking one rule they'd cast you aside to die and forget you exist?

God, I'm so sorry for you.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 01-12-2007, 08:45 PM
Phantom's Avatar
Phantom Offline:
Regular Poster
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In a chocolate factory
Posts: 408
Phantom is on a distinguished road
Default

u shud meet my mum.
__________________
The Hollow Bastion Restoration Committee



Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 01-12-2007, 09:12 PM
Son of Sephiroth's Avatar
Son of Sephiroth Offline:
The mad hatter
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: I live in a giant bucket!
Posts: 3,689
Son of Sephiroth is on a distinguished road
Send a message via MSN to Son of Sephiroth
Default

God is simply a way for the early humans to explain their own intrinsic morals. Humans as a species could only evolve into a society with morals. However humans and their morals existed before the idea of god did. Humans Used an idea of an omnipotent and benevolent beign to explain away their own philisophical thoughts about where the ideas of "you shouldn't kill" came from.

God is no more real than courage, justice or fear.
__________________

BOO I'M A GHOST!
Me and Terminal_est have some how kidnapped each other. Work that one out.

Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 01-13-2007, 05:15 AM
Terminal Est's Avatar
Terminal Est Offline:
Random Torso
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 4,082
Terminal Est is infamous around these partsTerminal Est is infamous around these partsTerminal Est is infamous around these partsTerminal Est is infamous around these partsTerminal Est is infamous around these partsTerminal Est is infamous around these partsTerminal Est is infamous around these partsTerminal Est is infamous around these partsTerminal Est is infamous around these partsTerminal Est is infamous around these partsTerminal Est is infamous around these parts
Default

Quote:
We're not sure why for example hot dogs come in packs of 8 while buns come in packs of 12. Our science has proved that this is so, but just because god created the hot dogs doesnt mean that science is wrong, if you will xD

A nasty gimmick..so you will have to purchase more hot dogs if you plan to make more then eight, even if it was less then twelve. More money for others.

Perhaps such a strange reflection could indeed be pointed towards religion and its control over man.
Very well, that is indeed lame but...religion has used fear and violence for a very long time, in order to control others. The Church would find whatever reason it needed to claim land or wealth, and used God to do it.
Today, religion is no longer the same, however the fact that there are many believers this day, enough to keep religious organizations thriving may just suggest that this fear is still rampant, even if it less then forced upon anyone, and no longer used by humans. (In some countries anyway.) The desire for an explanation is innate, a lot more so then manipulations. (We have more politics for this today, anyway. )

My thoughts for this is because of the discovery of many things, such as deeper philosophies, science and technology. This already highlights what you have said about mankind using religion to explain the unknown, such as death or the essence and awareness of ''being''. Because many human wonders still are not put to light, and this triggers fear, so one will still look for guidance and protection somewhere. No need for oppression.

To return to the begining of the topic, all those theories and points of view spawned from The Bible, for example, are only that...there are different variations of what people may believe God to be, but He is indeed what man would deem as ''perfect'', or everythiing they are not.
To protect us, to rid us of our fears, to give mankind hope.
To retain such relief from the hard reality of our world, people will fix whatever loop holes they may discover, even if such may be a sin. We will always mold beliefs and come up with different explanations for what cannot be explained, if only to chase away the ''darkness''. Fear, hesitation...knowing is power, and if we cannot have this power, we let it in the hands of another. Never mind to suffer at the hands of popular defeat.
To me everything I hear about God and His attributed beliefs is very human, it reeks of human nature.
As an example, if it is said that God is caring, yet lets us suffer, some will suggest that we have free will upon which to decide where it is we shall end up in the afterlife. But is this not simply an excuse we use for ourselves to justify the suffering through the world, hence that God may not be a loving one? Desire and fear seemed to have given form to almost anything we believe when it has to do with spirituality, almost to the point that whatever theories we have of God and His ways are rendered useless, as long as they serve their purpose. If indeed, that is what it is.

Very interesting theories have been posted about the different beliefs of God (Such as Him not caring and/or being unable to help.) but to me, all of them must be machinations of the brain for..eeh..spiritual relief?

Actually, after re-reading the whole post, it makes little sense. I know what I am trying to say, but I cannot seem to put it into words, heh. It must be a lack of knowledge. Now I fear everyone will laugh at me.
So I must be making sense somewhere.
__________________

Last edited by Terminal Est : 01-13-2007 at 05:22 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 01-14-2007, 03:58 AM
JET73L's Avatar
JET73L Offline:
Head Forum Scout
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: On the other side of your computer monitor. Boo.
Posts: 3,352
JET73L is on a distinguished road
Default

My thoughts are, god is/are real. Not necessarily as a single concious being, but possibly as a sort of force unconsciously bringing order to existence. Possibly that all intelligent beings are god, and that godness and intelligence are symbiotic (read Stranger in a Strange Land. It makes sense). Possibly, and thios is the point of view that I generally believe, is that the gods of all religions exist, and that.. well, that usually makes sense, but I'm stuck on the image of the universse just existing. That only holds for the afterlife part, and the universe itself, that we live in, applies to the first and/or second possibility. I don't know, I'm just really weirding myself out.
__________________
Image made by The_True_Keyblader

-------O___O
--------/o o\
<{]]|_|>*<|_-,
-----"'-|@ @|------This is Rocket Launcher Hamster. Rocket Launcher Hamster pwnzd all other sig animals, especially Bunny.
If you can't ignore the insanity, just smile and wave.
I has a "Zohar" [$7000/$6250r]
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 01-15-2007, 05:30 PM
VITG's Avatar
VITG Offline:
Experienced Poster
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 656
VITG is on a distinguished road
Send a message via AIM to VITG Send a message via MSN to VITG
Default

I wouldn't say my belief in a higher being is any machination of spiritual relief at all, I just think logically it's only sensible that there was something which started it all, there had to be something which triggered 'the beginning'. If I wanted to just believe in a God to 'live forever', i WOULD become a Christian
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 01-17-2007, 05:28 AM
RAGNAROCK's Avatar
RAGNAROCK Offline:
Expert Poster
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Reading
Posts: 2,437
RAGNAROCK is just really niceRAGNAROCK is just really niceRAGNAROCK is just really niceRAGNAROCK is just really nice
Send a message via MSN to RAGNAROCK
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by VITG
I wouldn't say my belief in a higher being is any machination of spiritual relief at all, I just think logically it's only sensible that there was something which started it all, there had to be something which triggered 'the beginning'. If I wanted to just believe in a God to 'live forever', i WOULD become a Christian

I would ask how much the membership fee is but oh wait thats another religion damn Jehovas xd

God well where do i start i could go on and on but ille sum up cause ime lazy personally i would agree somethng started all creation cause even if you say a load of gases compressed etc and blew out and here we are down the road the question where did those gases come from hasnt been awnsered however thats a endless road isnt it cause if god exsists he came from somewhere (ille stop rambling) God is a personfication used by people who cant cope on there own basically how kids like having there teddy with them when its dark at night its a comfort blanket to help scare people into civilised behavour
__________________
why do i say these things
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 01-17-2007, 04:47 PM
Phantom's Avatar
Phantom Offline:
Regular Poster
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: In a chocolate factory
Posts: 408
Phantom is on a distinguished road
Default

Your making christianity sound really stupid. But then again ur probly right. I decided this month that i will never hav a religion again. I don't really believe in god, anymore. C ing as the topic is so complicated, i just forget about it until my RE lessons,cus it's really confusin.
__________________
The Hollow Bastion Restoration Committee



Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump



All times are GMT. The time now is 10:03 AM.

vbulletin skin developed by: eXtremepixels

eXTReMe Tracker
Revolved.net | Game | Kingdom Hearts
Revolved.net Topsite

SEO by vBSEO 2.4.5