Our life a story.

[Terminal Est]

I understand. And I do not know why I did not before, because I truly agree. Of course, I kind of dwelt about it too much on the matter of the results of such process, as aside from the movement itself. I guess if you do not say why you think this may happen, I cannot really say anything else. Aaaw. What, did I scare you or something? Are you afeared that I shall post some huge thing again?!

...I probably would...

But, this is intriguing as well...

the only problem is you need to be omniscient to see fate completely, which means you have to be a god

I do not quite know what these outside factors of which you speak might be...but here is a funny suggestion.

Perhaps then, things such as dreams or déja vu and the like are, in fact, anomalies in our rationalizing mind frame. Perhaps they are ''holes'', or ''screw ups'', which show us glimpses of the truth, but are not supposed to.

So, prophets of old and the like were not so wrong when they had created fortune telling and such shenanigans. Only, they went too far to fashion myths and divining methods for the too little that they saw, heard or otherwise.

So these elements allow us to witness these ,'factors'', which lead to glimpses of what we are, have been and will be; the idea of fate and destiny. But then, these glimpses are much too short and vague, and an entire new, but false, aspect has been created by humans to try and understand it.

But if such was true, then why would we be able to see them, even if through mistake? Should not the whole motivation process, in terms of fate or destiny, or whatever you wish to call it, be perfect, if only omniscient elements could know it?

What is the word, ironic?

[Son of Sephiroth]

these outside factors can be anything. Say you conduct a phsycology experiment. if you do one for long enough you will come up with a "9 times out of 10 the person will do this" but there will always be someone who didn't because of some seemingly random reason, like if the experiment was whether they would eat the infamous psychology twinkie or not, they may decide to because they weren't hungry, or were allergic to a part of the twinkie's recipie. Such things cannot usually be factored into an experiment because the sheer number of them are too large they are simply an "outside factor" to the "world" of our little experiment. Now if we applied this to our enire world for example, once again we would eventually reach a "99 times out of a 100 the person will do this" (bear in mind of course you would have to be observing the planet itself from it's creation, and noting all laws of physics and quations of chemistry as "DA RULES")
now in this "planet" experiment the outside factors come from space. The reason people won't do things is because the warmth of the sun made the person want to go outside. So we take it to it's next step. We observe our solar system from it's creation, taking all the information inside it and applying it to how it would affect these people which have been watched from birth. You would get once a again a proportionally more accurate "x out of x" However, once you factor in EVERYTHING, you essentially remove chaos. There is only the "grand scheme of things" the location and direction of every atom, particle, and photon in the universe. Now if you applied all this data of all of the present and history, you could tell what everyone would do next. And if you can apply what happens next, you can continue to apply the new position of everything and work out what happens next.

The only way this fate could change would be if something entered from another universe, which I believe is unlikely. However seeing as you can't see how everything was and is you will never see how they will be. Free will is uniortunatly an illusion, but due to the problem stated above, one that will never be broken.

Does that explain it better Terminal Est?

[Terminal Est]

I certainly understand now, why one would have to be a god or something in order to witness and comprehend mankind, and how ''fate'' works.

What a strange theory, but so plausible at the same time. So should I have comprehended everything, then psychology is a more then significant element in our behavioural patterns, if even a manditory tool, as well as many scientific facts. At least, we could utilize such and go from there to further delve into this idea.

Very strange...but then, even these ''factors'' of which you speak are triggered by the same functions which makes us go forward. (I was meant to eat a Twinkie, but it was nice out and I had decided to go take a walk instead.)

I will stop now, otherwise I will to include mine own theory about the survival instinct with it.

Although in order to grasp the full sense of this, I imagine I would have to know a lot more about science itself, but very interesting, in any case.

So then, would this mean that, the only reason we are able to think and ''make decisions'' is to fulfill the will of the ''Psychological Twinkie'', for example?

The only reason that I am aware of my existence is because I must know where the Twinkie may be found, will myself to get there, and finally eat it.

I am a bit of a one track mind, my logic is actually very blunt; therefore, forgive if this shoots off the point somewhat.

[Son of Sephiroth]

in my version of fate there is no conclusion we go towards only results.

we exist to eat twinkies because we were created, one of us had the great idea to make a twinkie and they exist to be a possible factor that affects the decision.

basically the only reason "fate" guides to eat twinkies is because they exist to be eaten, and they taste nice.

or something. my version of fate gets complex when you use it to explain why people do things it only explains what they will do.

[Zotar]

OCC: You should write a book, "Philosophy of Twinkies."

This all reminds me of the "butterfly effect", but on a cosmic scale.

[Terminal Est]

Ah, so even the Twinkie has a reason for existence; to be eaten.

I see then, about explaining how it works, as opposed to why it works. I have the same problem,. It seems easy sometimes to put certain things together because up to a certain point, you may observe the happenings, but the reason as to why it happens is not something we can see.

I guess this explains the whole of human logic, especially with elements that may conceive what we behold as ''making sense''.

Or perhaps we should start the ''Psychology Twinkie Family'', heh. I love that word.

[Firesnake]

makes me feel fuzzy on the inside

question!:
do I want to feel fuzzy
does some other power make me fuzzy
is it the alcohol
does god want me to feel fuzzy (I still don't believe in god)
WHY AM I FUZZY FROM ''Psychology Twinkie Family''?

[Son of Sephiroth]

well if you apply my reasonings, you are fuzzy due to an event in your past. seeing as I have no idea of what has happened throughout your entire past, I cannot accuratly say why you are currently fuzzy.

I wonder what a phsycological twinkie tastes like? :P

[Miss Lockheart]

What is a Twinkie? We don't have those in England.

I wonder if there is a reason within the grand scheme of things why we don't have twinkies in England. Is it because we have a native equivalent which would overrule the need to have twinkies, or is there a more deep-rooted reason?

I'm not entirely sure on this, but I believe the twinky to be an American thing, or at least originating from that area of the world. So I wonder if that has any psychological bearing on why English people don't have twinkies, is it a fear of losing our national heritage to worldly foods? If it was, then why sell noodles and sushi, but not twinkies? Is it something specifically to do with the American-English relations? But then why do we have burgers?

I really want to know because I've heard twinkies are delicious, I assume psychological twinkies would be also.

Oh, and about the subject fu fu fu! Let me throw an idea into the pool. So everything on our planet, humans and animals and plants etc. all fit together working in unison as cog on a machine right? So that would give some plausibilty to the astrology theory then. We already see the effects of the moon on the water tides, and in some cases on a women's menstrual cycle, which I guess would be explained by the effects of gravity, interplay of forces between the earth and its sattelite. So why would it be so laughable that the other heavenly bodies would also have their own effect on life on our planet? Our ancestors spent a lot of time studying the sky, the position of the planets relative to our own positions on earth, and added mathematics to mythology, to create the system of astrology (not the shite you read in the newspaper on a Monday morning). Not only is the Earth and all its aspects working in unison, but the other planets in relativity too. The idea that the gravitational pull of the planets (as determined by their position in the sky, which has been gaged through the constellations, kinda like a space map) may have an effect on the way we live our lives suddenly seems more sensical.

Has anyone else studied this? I think I have too much time on my hands?

[Zotar]

No. Do explain. (If you feel like it. I respect how difficult it is to post something like that. Frigg'n keyboards!)