Can Science and religion ever get along?

[Son of Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Zotar

To say God doesn't exist is little more than narrow mindedness and denial.

As an atheist, I find that statement highly amusing. If it is definate he exists, PROVE it. In science, the only way anything is accepted is through proof. Give me absolute proof god exists and I'll denounce my wicked ways but until then...

[Zotar]

Believers are just as dismissive as naysayers

Ouch. But probably true. As for proof, I will not show it. I cannot force my theologcal opinion upon you, men must come to god and will do so in there own time even its never. I was merely haveing my say.

[Firesnake]

I'm not here to say bad about someone or something but ... all the religious testaments are written by humans ..... so there is a large chance that they are just making stuff up

But as I say: everyone needs something even if it is nothing

but I think religion and science can get along if they accept eachother

[JET73L]

[Zotar]
To say God doesn't exist is little more than narrow mindedness and denial.

[Son of Sephiroth]As an atheist, I find that statement highly amusing. If it is definate he exists, PROVE it. In science, the only way anything is accepted is through proof. Give me absolute proof god exists and I'll denounce my wicked ways but until then...

Give me absolute proof that anything actually exists, even the perception of something. Can't do it, can you? It is "narrow mindedness and denial" only to state that god can't exist. to say that he/she/it/they doesn't/don't exist is merely an opinion. Either way, it's completely pointless. Not only can you not prove the nonexistence of something (some dogmatics), it is also technically impossible to prove the existence of something (pretty much anyone who believes in anything). You can't argue it one way or the other past a certain point.

[Terminal Est]

Originally Posted by Zotar

Ouch. But probably true. As for proof, I will not show it. I cannot force my theologcal opinion upon you, men must come to god and will do so in there own time even its never. I was merely haveing my say.

I understand this, and was not bashing you in any way, although I did believe that the relation had to be said. Why do people always see my statements as hostile intent? I mean the point of a debate is to argue one another's view in a constructive and enlightening way, and not state an opinion and refuse to elaborate upon such afterwards.

For example, if man must find God himself, then why do we have Churches? What do we do about the spiritual conditioning that comes with God, morality and childhood, for example?

I must indeed apologize for offending you, as it was not my intent. But I always say, if someone is able to properly and adequately argue their points and views with valid matter, even upon a subject which nobody can prove, then perhaps strong opinions and insights may even change my mind.

Oooh that was arrogant, I believe I see the problem now...

[Zotar]

Originally Posted by Terminal Est

I understand this, and was not bashing you in any way, although I did believe that the relation had to be said. Why do people always see my statements as hostile intent? I mean the point of a debate is to argue one another's view in a constructive and enlightening way, and not state an opinion and refuse to elaborate upon such afterwards.

For example, if man must find God himself, then why do we have Churches? What do we do about the spiritual conditioning that comes with God, morality and childhood, for example?

I must indeed apologize for offending you, as it was not my intent. But I always say, if someone is able to properly and adequately argue their points and views with valid matter, even upon a subject which nobody can prove, then perhaps strong opinions and insights may even change my mind.

Oooh that was arrogant, I believe I see the problem now...

sorry. emotions are always so hard to convay (or not convay) online. I guess it was just the critisism in the writing that got to me (or i took it as critisism. Call me human.)

[Terminal Est]

Well, if it may come as any reassurance, whenever I debate with people, I do not do it with emotions. I might state how something makes me feel on the subject, but such will not incorporate itself in the debate itself. If I feel that I will truly get mad or upset, I will not post anything. So please do not take it personal.
Besides, If I ever truly criticize or bash someone's beliefs, trust me, you shall know right away.

[Son of Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by JET73L

Give me absolute proof that anything actually exists, even the perception of something. Can't do it, can you? It is "narrow mindedness and denial" only to state that god can't exist. to say that he/she/it/they doesn't/don't exist is merely an opinion. Either way, it's completely pointless. Not only can you not prove the nonexistence of something (some dogmatics), it is also technically impossible to prove the existence of something (pretty much anyone who believes in anything). You can't argue it one way or the other past a certain point.

if you're going to bring out the can't prove anything exists philisophical arguement, because that is what it is, philosophy, I'm going to counter it with a different philisophical arguement or two:

1) I think therefore I am. Therefore I exist, and can prove things exist.
2) If you cannot prove anything exists you do not exist and therefore your arguement does not exist.

or we could do this quantum physics style it is only provable something exists if you can measure it. this pen I am holding in my hand has height, weight and mass. I can see it, so it exists.

As you can see, it is actually possible to prove something exists. Your arguement stems from a half thought idea from science that all THEORIES can only disproved.

[DragoonKain]

I believe the only time religion and science will EVER get along is if the day came that science proved religion right. If scientists ever found conclusive proof of god, religion and science would hold hands and sing in harmony.

That being said, religion and science will never get along.

[JET73L]

Exactly, but I said it in a lot more words (earlier). And less clearly. But yeah. Organized, preaching-style religion cannot get along with science.