Failiers of Public Education

[Zotar]

Alot of things have been bothering me lately. Then i figured out that everything i hate about my life so far has something to do with school. I would like to address this in a debate sisne no-one else wants to start a debate.

Aren't students supposed to like education? Aren't we all supposed to have friends who support us? Those are my first questions.

[Terminal Est]

The way I see it, education is not only the teaching of basic reading, writing and arithmetic, but also, and most importantly, an awareness to social structure and its moral guidelines.
Do you homework, but you would do best to do it properly. And on time. High school and higher offers various freedoms, but it is predetermined freedom, really...you have a choice, but only two consequences. How is that a choice?

So if we consider this, there is, automatically, a mandatory veil being put over the youth's eyes, as to what is right and what is not, that presented through etiquette, the importance of the work and projects they give you, and the rules underlined by the school. Unfortunately, the abiding thereof ensures proper independent social functions. It is a necessity. It is like a set program, weather you enjoy it or not.

Second, I completely understand, and so does the education system, although it is not always that such may be rectified, that not everyone learns in the same way. The faculties for learning may differ, and some aspects may be an obstruction to others that are not as such for everyone.
Schools offer varying programs and all to ensure that everyone can learn ''life's basics'' and get their job done, but I certainly agree that with all this denial and regression to make your own mind imposed by the educational system, at the very least, they should attempt to make fun and appealing methods to present it.
However and on the other hand, if my near insane theory is correct, one must learn that one cannot always have their way, and school is a good place to learn this, weather with the technical intent, or the social circles in the schoolyard and out.

I do not know where you had heard that education was supposed to be fun...but in the end, whatever they say, in my opinion it is all slight brain washing.

It is like, when bitching about my job, I am often told that I am being paid to serve food, and not philosophize. :/

I am not going to elaborate much, as I know this was not your main point, but it is something to consider, at least...

[Zotar]

Thanks... well my problem with school is all those thing they expect us to do. on top of that, we don't really learn much about social eptitude. (I'm one that does'nt quite know how to fit in.)

(Im really just bored right now and need something to complain about.)

[Terminal Est]

The thing is, it does not seem that it has anything to do with social and moral values because it is not direct. But the nature of the rules and the consequences for breaching or disregarding them highly reflects life later on.

Basically, we are brought up as the big house with car and dog family image in mind. Meh.

I am so glad I dropped out and did drugs instead. XD

[NeoFighter5]

haha. . .i completely understand the "need to complain about something" part. . .

i personally view school . . .as simply a way of society to mold you into a "responsible, respectable, able, disciplined person". . .aka: bull shit. . .school is nothing else but an investment for your future. . .study, or live a crappy life( or both). . .school is nothing. . .it teaches you to write, the alphabet, it makes you aware of the world, of history, and science. . .yet all that knowledge does not prepare you for life its self. . .the lessons the life teaches are still learned the same way they were learned thousands of years ago: through experience, trial and error, and what advice your elders give you. . .school facilitates life. . .it does not gurantee a good one. . .nor does it give you the tools to deal with it. . .again. . .its just investment in human resources. . .


haha. . .to answer question 1. . .if that were the case. . .it'll be like saying were not suppose to like war. .the only thing that remotely makes school interesting. . .is the ppl i meet. . .and the few friends i make. . .

as for number 2. . .no. . .you can have a friend. . .and yet not recieve support. . .we throw the word friend around a little too much. . ."true" friends are the ones that'll care for you. . .blah. . .i just lost my self. . .the answer is still no. . .friends are by no means obligated to support or help us. . .of course, then they wouldnt be much of a friend. . .but that's the way life rolls. . .haha. . .

[Terminal Est]

''Friend'' is a hard word to define, and certainly subjective to many.

Mostly we are merely friends with people in school because you are there with them...how many of them turn out to be foes in the end? Another lesson in life.

Although it may contradict what I was saying earlier; I agree with NeoFighter.

School can teach you a bunch of useless crap which I completely mastered by simply playing video games and surfing the Internet...Learned how to speak proper English, mostly, through one year of Internet as opposed to almost seven years of school...so I can, once again, certainly understand that whole thing about education being enjoyable...if it is not interesting or motivating, you get labeled with learning disabilities, and then live with the conviction that you are slow minded.

They were just not interesting enough for my complex self. XD

Right, but I mean, it can teach you all that, but it does not prepare you whatsoever for later adult life aside from the ''technicalities'' we must face. If I am going to abide to anything or anyone, I would rather be aware of it.

When I think back at the threats and sermons they used to give me, I can see that such is all it was. I consider myself an escapist from social brain washing, but eh, maybe that is just all those drugs I did.

[Revenant]

To like aducation?! Neeeeeeeeeeg! That is not about me. I realy like some subjects, but the whole educational system in my country is dull!

[Terminal Est]

There is also that, children and youths are rebels at heart. Speaking generally, the more one imposes something, the more the individual will seek to breach.

If someone was forcing me to play Castlevania, something in my mind would attribute it to hostile feelings and negativity-and so, this way we are quite brainwashed, as we do not suspect the one handling the laws, but the subject itself...

[MidgarFanatic]

I have a theory that young children and eventually teenagers are all made the adults they are today because of the way they are taught in educational institutions.

In school, those who are coddled throughout their education do not learn how to work out problems for themselves very effectively, and so I believe are the ones who are usually spoiled and arrogant when older (as they are used to having everything given to them, whether they are deserving of it or not). Whereas if a student is challenged at a young age they are more likely to become self-sufficient and assertive adults... and this comes from being forced to comprehend and work-out what is being presented to them in the world.

So for example, if a teacher or parents or whatever speak to a child in more "adult" language (for lack of a better word), the child's brain will be challenged and they will develop experience at trying to comprehend what is being communicated to them, they have to work at it harder, and so I believe this gets transfered into their educational practices. Kids are after all able to understand much more than I believe we often give them credit for, and it has not traditionally been an extensive practice of schools in western tradition to teach "how" to learn, just "what" to learn. And this doesn't always produce the best citizens.

Home-schoolers are a prime example... they are often very smart and hold values and traditions which very closely reflect their parents', more so than public or even private school children. And this is probably because these children's instructors push them harder to learn with way more one-on-one attention, as opposed to the sea of kids which flood our public school every day which teachers must deal with. However, they are often not as fluent in social skills, so I suppose there is a delicate balance here that should be examined. And of course religions plays a part here as well, but we do not need to go into that.

All I'm trying to say is... if you keep speaking to a growing young boy or girl like a child... they will continue to be one (or at least act like one).