God/Jesus/The Holy Spirit

[keybldemaster]

Talk about God here. If you don't understand anything about God/Jesus/The Holy Spirit, or the Bible, post it here. Heck, ask anything about Christianity also.

[Hazuki Sensi]

How can you justify its exsistance and belief in a world where 1. Hardly anyone truly believes in him, 2. Science is the mainstay concept of thinking, not theology, and 3. After all the horrible things that have been done in his name throughout the last 1000 years, how can you hold your head up high and claim to love a god that preaches blind faith, untolerance and frankly hatred on times?

PS To kain before he tries to point out that this is a confrantraional post - It IS.

[keybldemaster]

Easy: Faith. Even if it is a small as a mustard seed, I just have to belive in what I cannot see. It's all faith.

[User Name]

It is faith. I hold no stock in religion at all. Although I believe in the Christian God as the Ttrue God of the Universe I do not bind myself to the Christian religion although I have the faith as a Christian.

1) Saying that no one hardly believes in Him is denying the millions of Americans who are Christian or the billions of people in the world who worship some form of diety.

2) I believe that science can be a tool that can prove God's existance.

3) Yes, horrors have been caused by fanatics of all religions. Including athiests if I'm not mistaken.

4) How can you say that God preaches blind faith, untolerance and hatred on times when you have shown me that you have blind faith in yourself, intolerance for those who have a beliefe is a Higher Power, and hatred towards those who have admitted that they are too weak on their own to live life. That they are too weak to live without someform of diety?

[Hazuki Sensi]

1) Saying that no one hardly believes in Him is denying the millions of Americans who are Christian or the billions of people in the world who worship some form of diety. - Not true, just a formality, for example many people put Christian on their cenus for no apparent reason. And to say that God can be justified by billions of people who believe in "Other" dieties is no meat to the arguement, as the christian belief is the one in question. Its like justifying footbal as the best sport because millions like rugby =- the two are not connected.

2) I believe that science can be a tool that can prove God's existance. - Well the day it does I swer to take all this back but the chances of that happening are 0 - pure and simple. Science looks for truth, not to justify anyones beliefs, by using science to your own beliefs you get nonsence like biological racism and creationist theory

3) Yes, horrors have been caused by fanatics of all religions. Including athiests if I'm not mistaken. - I fully agree, many terrible things have been commited by aethists, what grinds my gears is that Gods name has been used to preach hatred and death literally hundreds of times, if you look back at the crusades, the inqusition, the witchhunts, the religious wars of the reformation, hell even the romans killed people for believing in god.

4) How can you say that God preaches blind faith - well how else to you suggest we believe in a diety that is niether physical or spiritual - God (I always assumed) was supposed to be a figure of the love and respect we all have within ourselves. I believe in myself indeed, but not in the sense of trying to live up to anothers standards. The point im making is that to believe in God, you need faith, pure and simple because there is NO evidence that he really exsists. Keyblade said it the best, because I have faith - true its a flawed arguement that cannot stand up to anything remotly scientific, but its the only leg he has to stand on.

on untolerance and hatred - a fun fun bible quotes -

Leviticus 20:10 If a man commits adultery with another man's wife--with the wife of his neighbor--both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.

Deuteronomy 7:1-2 When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations ... then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.

Ezekiel 20:25-26 I also gave them over to statutes that were not good and laws they could not live by; I let them become defiled through their gifts--the sacrifice of every firstborn--that I might fill them with horror so they would know that I am the LORD.

Peter 2:18 Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"

Seems a pretty proslavery, anti-sex, homophobic piece of work to me in all honesty.

[Kain Highwind]

Originally Posted by Hazuki Sensi

1) Saying that no one hardly believes in Him is denying the millions of Americans who are Christian or the billions of people in the world who worship some form of diety. - Not true, just a formality, for example many people put Christian on their cenus for no apparent reason.

I'd say those who do it deliberately far out weigh those who don't.

And to say that God can be justified by billions of people who believe in "Other" dieties is no meat to the arguement, as the christian belief is the one in question. Its like justifying footbal as the best sport because millions like rugby =- the two are not connected.

No, no it isn't. He wasn't suggesting anything like that at all. He's argueing about the persistance of faith, not which is the best.

Other than those points, I agree with pretty much everything you said.

[happycaitsith77]

God Is Awesome.

That's All I Have To Say.

[keybldemaster]

God IS real. Science can prove it guys. And here's something ta think 'bout.
If someday in the future, millons of people vanish, all of them will be CHRISTIANS!
Real Christians, not fakes, and the rest will be Left Behind.
God had this planned out from the VERY BEGINING! It's all over the Bible.
So, do me a favor: If you don't know God, after the millions vanish, find a Bible, and read through the new testemant.

[Kain Highwind]

Yeah, I doubt it.

[Hazuki Sensi]

After the millions vanish - seriously Im counting the days.

Just out of interest is this all christians or certian ones such as Mormons, Catholics etc? Must be such a blow to realise you been following the wrong one when the big cull comes.