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Old 07-31-2006, 01:00 PM
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hey, this have been bugging me for ages. What happened if devil was a good person. Maybe, when the world was created, Adam and eve was born.

Maybe, what happened if god decided to put them on earth with no trees, no support and god like to see them suffer. May happened. And the devil was a angel at first by bible, quran and torah's teachings. What happened if devil decided to betray god and give trees and everything needed. And God, bieng disgusted decided to banished devil from heaven for helping the humans.

And god decided to kill our souls when we leave the earth, what happened if all of that is a possibilty. And many years later, us jews, christians and muslim could be tricked into devil being a evil person and pay with regrets.

Thats, what i think. because we've seen so many bad sides of devil, we got to here what good he might done.

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Old 07-31-2006, 01:15 PM
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good point if it was the devil who gave us all plants and food then we owe him thanks

but good and evil is down to perception
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Well supposedly, Lucifer was one of the highest ranking Angels shown by his twelve wings, God's right hand man if you will. But the power went to his head and he was using it for evil so he was banished. Though I do believe in God and Satan, I don't believe this happened, and neither did Adam and Eve. There is no evidence at all of its occurrence and these were used as stories to attempt to explai the origin of human existence. And even if God was evil and Satan was good, it would make no difference, for God would become Satan and Satan would be God. And it's not like it would mean that Heaven is "down" and Hell is "Up" because those are just metaphors. There isn't anything literally in the clouds or beneath the Earth's crust as an afterlife
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If Devil really was good, although its slim, he will have to try and save us, right?
If God was evil, than that means another being, said good devil, would try and save us. Its based on perception, such as Christians and Jews and Muslims believing is a being that will forgive and save, while Satanists believe only the Devil can save us.

It is all based on one's perception. Our destiny will always be pre-destined in the afterlife. Some being out there would save us, having a good heart and good will.

So if Devil is good, that means he will try and save us, right?
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Satanists do NOT believe the devil will save us. And if they do they are not Satanists, they are christians with opposing views to others.
Remember, satanism basically means rebel. All athiests and non-believers are "satanists"
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atheists aren't satanists, though people often mistake that. it's people who worship the devil, apparently to get a high rank in hell or they're masochists or something. I don't know who in their right mind would want to worship the devil
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To reach hell you slip down the circle of something, maybe david, i forget,

but there are 10 levels of hell, the lower, the worse, and for each sin, there is a punishment, and the punishment is corresponding to the sin,
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Isn't that written in Dantes Inferno? I heard that the levels of Hell vary based on the kinds of sins you committed in life so that they haunt you for eternity. One of the levels is that you have to roll a boulder atop a pyramid and place it there in order to get out, which is impossible because it would always fall back to the bottom
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yea Dantes Inferno, thank you. The pyramid is ironic to stealing I think, but im no expert on the matter.

I think another level is to the sin of Glutony, and you have to intake something of a huge amount.

On google search for Dante's inferno levels, and theres a test on where you'd go, check it out.

I know the quote at the entrance to hell:

Through me the way into the suffering city,
Through me the way to the eternal pain,
Through me the way that runs among the lost.
Justice urged on my high artificer;
My maker was divine authority,
The highest wisdom, and the primal love.
Before me nothing but eternal things were made,
And I endure eternally.
Abandon every hope, ye who enter here."

I did a test on it and apparently I am going to Limbo after I die, a peaceful place for non-believers, that has the feeling of slight sadness.

I took the test again and I made it to Purgatory

The person that made the test seemed very religious, yet if he or she is making tests like that, arent they commiting a sin (to predict in certain forms is a sin)?
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Yeah I consider that to be a sin. So do you believe in all that?
I got "Purgatory"
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