Eh, dreams.

[JET73L]

I'm copying and pasting this in Sorrow's Elegance, so if someone from there has already read this, it's not necessary to read it again before posting.

Man, this past night (well, morning, really), I had another dream in what appears to be a series in a particular realm/world/whatever. I was on a school trip to a carnival, and some kid ran into me and knocked me partway off my bike (subconscious: I ran errands on my bike the day before yesterday), and, after I had managed to pry my foot loose from the wheel, followed up by accidentally hitting me in a very painful way(subconscious: I ran the corner of a sharp table into a pressure pint in my leg yesterday) with part of one of the carnival games (some cylinder or something, made of that solid cardboard stuff in the center of newsprint rolls, but even thicker), and when I was finally able to get up, my bike was gone. The dream thenm turned to a mystery, where I was folowing clues and interrogating people who might have stolen or bought my bike, and chasing after every red bicycle I saw (even climbing to the balcony of a mock haunted house after what turned out to be a large Red Ryder tricycle with a wheel knocked off). Eventually, it started getting late, and I followed my last tip to a permanent structure in which was a librarium containing all sorts of old things and books, but the owner/curator/inhabitant told me that she hadn't bought it because the building was closed that day. I left, and noticed it was getting cold, and most of the people were leaving, and this skinhead-hermit-sage (who I had previously griled because he owned the nearest flea market stall and looked the type to be trafficking in goods of unknown origin) cryptically stated something along the lines of that, when I had gotten hit, the bike had been thrown up onto a thick electrical wire. He ended the encounter with "Everything eventuallyends up on the wire." Since to one side of the road, the wire ended over a forested cliff too steep to folllow, I went the other way, and saw pig-dog creatures hanging on the wire (the ones from Silent Hill $, one of which had long, greay, spiked red hair and a more human countenance than the others), and saw ahead that the wire ended at a hunter's cabin with tanning creatures and skeletons out front, emitting a hideous, forbudding aura. I wwent back to the road, and my viewpoint panned back and upwards as I collapsed in despair, and I finally woke up.


This seems to be part of a world-similar series of dreams. I always wake up from them partially paralyzed with stiffened joints for up to half the following day, and freezing my butt off no matter what the temperature. I also never wake up in the middle of one, only at the end, and always with sudden clarity after I awake. I usually never wake up that quickly, and if I sleep after one of these dream is over, I never remember it.

A common detail of these dreams, besides the chiling atmosphere, is the spotted pig-dogs from Silent Hill $. I've seen them in pretty much every one of these dreams (excluding all but one or two of a subseries I will describe later), despite the fac t that I've been having these dreams for years before SH4 was even out, and I don't recall having seen them in other games or shows or advertisments. Originally, they were after me whenever I saw them, but in one dream I found them on a power line, either stuck like a pig roasting on a spit or slit apart, placed on the wire, and sewn back up to achieve the same effect. I felt a darkness, that the being who did this must be insanely powerful and evil beyond insanity, and that that was what may have inhabited the cabin in my most recent dream. I have only seen the red-haired pig-dog a couple of times, and each time I can remember was when it was strung on the wire.


The subseries I mentioned earlier was several nights in a row, then one night witrhout the dream, then another couple of nights. I was on a training mission with some of the minor Konoha ninjas-in-training from Naruto, and it was in and on the grounds of a gigantic builkding, larger than any I'd seen before, built by a guy who was supposed to be haunted the place now, but noone could recall when he'd died. It later turned out that one of the people I was training with, either Tenten (the weapons specialist from Lee and Hyuga's team in the show) or an unnamed blonde girl, was either directly related to the ghost duede or hypnotized into thinking she was (it may have been that Tenten was hypnotized into thinking she was the reincarnation of the blond girl, who was in fact living a depressing half-life in the mansion). Besides the rather cheery garden maze between the house and the woods out back, and an old-fashioned coffee shop protected by spells where we could rest between training exercizes, the entire mansion was decorated with either old, eclectic objects filling floor-to-cieling shelves, or occasional dioramas of anthropomorphic animals, giving the impression of a combination curio shop combined with a wax museum. Also clear was the room in which the dude who may or may not have been a ghost mainly resided, in which he was seen by someone (probably but not necessarily me) talking with the character he believed to be his dead granddaughter. It was decorated like a slightly depressed, cramped version of an old-fashioned parlor room, complete with grandfather clock and fireplace.

The creatures we fought whilst training were mainly somewhat more demented versions of Akira Toriyama's combination or joke monsters from Dragon Quest, but in at least one exercise, we were led down a very small hallway between two down-leading flights of stairs, lit only from one end by a large window and from behind a large, roughly life-sized diorama inset into the wall halfway down trhe hall. It was of two cows wearing clothing in humanoid poses, the female standing by amini-fridge (open, and empty) and the male sitting in a stuffed chair. Both appeared to bave something resembling a dark strawberry jam on their faces, and also on the male's shirt. We were to walk from one flight to the other, one at a time, and give our first impression. Each of us was to give our mfirst impression as we passed the diorama, and most of us had said something along the lines of "Ha, they have jam on their faces" (with the number of "ha"s varying from zero to two). This always followed by them developing a shocked look and stumbling torward the second staircase. When it was my turn, I started to say the same thing, but halfway through the phrase, I realised the cows were not fat, but engorged, they had sharp teeth like a wolve's more than a cow's, there was no jelly jar in the scene, and they were slowly breathing. It felt vaguely like people desribe having a heart attack, but my arm went cold instead of tingly. Istarted stumbling torward the second staircase, and forget what happened until; a bit later. This was the scariest thing that had happened in the subseries, but the main series of dreams nearly always had a deadly frightening sense of forbidding, or even being attacked by the RE4 leopard-pig-dogs. They were only seen a couple of times in the subseries, and only strung on the wires.

Another major difference between the main series and thwe subseries was that the main series was always in real time, but the subseries occasionallly had scene changes.


I think that's about it. If anyone else has any weird recurring or thematic dreams they'd like to share, or wishes to comment on this, it would be appreciated. Sorry for the incredibly long, Terminal-esque post (I made a pun!)
And if there are noticeable pieces unexplained, or bits of it are repeated, it is because I lost part of the data a couple of times when the forum logged me off before saving an edit)

[Terminal Est]

My God, this post is longer then anything I have ever posted. This is not to be mean in any way, but next time Jet...make more paragraphs. This was a pain in the ass to read.

This seems to be part of a world-similar series of dreams. I always wake up from them partially paralyzed with stiffened joints for up to half the following day, and freezing my butt off no matter what the temperature. I also never wake up in the middle of one, only at the end, and always with sudden clarity after I awake. I usually never wake up that quickly, and if I sleep after one of these dream is over, I never remember it.

I would look into sleep disorders, as you seem to mention some specific potential for nocturnal terrors. Albeit at a slight edge, but paralysis is the main side effect; in fact it is how such a specific disorder is recognized.
It does not really sound like you have it, but I would still look into it. It could also be physical tension as you dream, which I do not believe is very healthy. Erm, not that I want to sound like someone's mother or anything.

Recurring dreams have me seriously dumbstruck...as I conclude that, ever since our primitive heritage, the subconscious had established a universal meaning with what we dream. Different things represent the general aspects of mankind, and everyone dreams about these century old symbols, in different forms and fashions.
For example, the sun represents man's spirituality, but to dream of a spider is essentially the same meaning, because of the shape. Swarms of insects represent mental exhaustion, and clocks or time related objects represent the Tarot concept of death and revival. Twisters represent emotional imbalance and insecurity. It can be manifested in many different ways, but as image is a very primitive yet reliable form of recognition, our brains have adopted this fashion as a means to ''instruct'' us on what we cannot see-about ourselves, and so to speak.

Reoccurring dreams, I believe, work in the same way, however on a much more individualistic level. Because essentially, we are not all the same-things grow personal to us, and represent a significance for us-which may not be the case for everyone else.
I do not know what Naruto or skin head priests represent for you, but one's reoccurring dreams, I believe, are the same as universal symbolism; but for you only.

I often, and almost regularly dream of the following elements; being stuck in Silent Hill or playing it, zombie invasions, a clearing, church and forest which I have seen many times in my dreams, as well as several tornadoes-but always black or purple. These are not reoccurring per se, however the elements found within are very strong, and are the same as I had seen in other dreams.

Take your nightmares, for example. Such are very diverse and colourful, and although folks tend to attribute nightmares to solid symbolism; I believe this to be extremely false, as nightmare are often caused by biological disturbances or abnormal mental reactions, such as stress, anxiety or digesting food while attempting to sleep. (Nightmares wake you up because apparently, the brain resting process is not functioning normally-it is like an automatic error backup reboot.)
Nightmares only include pictures because it is a dream gone wrong, and so the symbolism, always strong, is actually said to be very empty; reoccurring nightmares are merely facets of one's trauma or worries; they are not check ups as real dreams are said to be.

Well, most of it is opinion, and it is hard to be absolute about such a subject...however I hope it helps a bit, if at least for a small insight?

[JET73L]

Hmm, yeah, that is an interesting way to look at it..
Well:
There were technically 8 paragraphs (9 if you separate the last one), but I added double spaces (for the paragraphs) and triple spaces (for the sections), if that helps. Sorry [sheepish grin]
As for the "skinhead priest," sage does not mean priest, it just means one who has become wise.
And Silent Hill is supposed to be deeply terrifying, that is why a lot of people dream about it after playing it. The weird thing was, I had dreams about these creatures before I'd even seen a commercial for the first Silent Hill.

So, thanks for expressing your views on this, I shall think it over some more.

Edit: I do, by the way, know about night terrors. I have studied them in the past. However, I did not particularly think of them, as I woke up when the dreams were over. Only once, when the RE4 creatures attacked, did I wake up in the middle of one. Still, differing symptoms.

[Terminal Est]

And Silent Hill is supposed to be deeply terrifying, that is why a lot of people dream about it after playing it. The weird thing was, I had dreams about these creatures before I'd even seen a commercial for the first Silent Hill.

Hmm...really? If such is the case, then perhaps I am not so wrong, when I theorize that the symbolism and presentation found in Silent Hill deals with concrete and very plausible psychological aspects of man. Might I ask, in more detail, what these creatures looked like and what they were doing? What do you think this represents for you? That is, if you do not mind.
Or it could be as you say-sheer terror.

Edit: I do, by the way, know about night terrors. I have studied them in the past. However, I did not particularly think of them, as I woke up when the dreams were over. Only once, when the RE4 creatures attacked, did I wake up in the middle of one. Still, differing symptoms.

Yes, waking in the middle of a dream is not uncommon, especially when the classic situation occurs-falling off from a cliff or some such thing. I wonder why that is?

I suffer from night terrors myself, and although yes, the symptoms differ, I do believe that what I have read about them (I seriously thought that I was haunted by a ghost the first time these went on-like the age old beliefs about nocturnal terrors being demons and incubi coming to visit the living.) and what you describe, if I have understood correctly, had suggested that they share the same family of machination and traits.

A few nights ago, I dreamt that I was debating with myself which Wild Arms to play-3 or 4? Quite wtf indeed! *Laughs!*

[MidgarFanatic]

Well thank you for the long post bud, it certainly was quite an interesting read.

I think I had to read it two or three times before I could actually soak everything into my tiny little brain, lol. I really liked the part where you were on a never ending quest to find your bike, haha. That was great man, so many interesting things happened to you on the way. I also liked the part where you were describing people being forced to describe a rather bizarre diorama next to a flight of stairs. Lol, oh man I was scratchin’ my head over that one, but I liked it. And I really enjoyed reading your descriptions of the sceneries and all the characters.

I did think there were a lot of interesting things in your post JET, but I have to admit, there were also a few things that made me a little freaked out. I have never played any of the Silent Hill games, however, I am aware of these game’s concepts of trying to be as frightening as possible… and fun. That is it’s purpose, and for many people this can be a lot of fun. But perhaps over-playing these games JET is simply over stimulating your mind and giving you nightmares. If you play video games A LOT then this could simply be the case for you. Just a thought.

As for your apparent premonition you seem to have had involving the pig/dog images as you described, this was a little odd to me. So are you saying that you saw these images in a dream long before there was any official release of them in a game? If that is the case then it seems to me that you had obviously seen the future. Or perhaps there is another explanation, such as a cognitive association with something from your past. Such phenomenons can result if you are unconsciously absorbing lots of intense images from a medium (such as scary movies or video games) and associating them into another cognitive experience, such as a dream. What I am trying to convey is that you may of seen images from an old film or game and be associating them with images from Silent Hill $, such as those crazy old pigdogs, lol. Although it may seem as though you saw the future, you in fact may of seen an image such as a piece of early conception art for example, and be dreaming about it. But for whatever the reason, it seems to me that it was obviously a very moving experience for you. And for that, I nod my hat to you. You are lucky. I love having those moments; but you do with them what you can.

Anyways, it was all very interesting. You obviously have a very vivid and healthy imagination if you are having dreams such as this, and I thank you for sharing them. I wish I could have dreams like that but I never remember them ☹ and many other people I know don’t remember their dreams either. But you, JET, can remember every little detail of every person and thing in your dreams… It’s amazing. I rather think you have a gift my friend.

If these dreams are causing you stress, then I would suggest someway of trying to conquer these fears. Channel your fears into something like writing them down (which I’m sure you’ve already done plenty of based on the length of your post, haha). I usually find that more productive and creative solutions to things such as troubling dreams are never far at hand. Just stay cool.

However my friend, above all else, I think it is incredibly important that you make sure that you’re health comes first. If these dreams are causing you any bodily harm, as when you described one waking as “partially paralyzed with stiffened joints for up to half the following day, and freezing my butt off no matter what the temperature.” If you are having days such as this on a regular basis then I think a lot of what Terminal EST mentioned in her email deserves deep consideration. If you feel as though these dreams are becoming a risk to your health, then you could always just have a quick consult with your family doctor. I’m sure he/she could help.

I hope some of this helps, I’m not a doctor or anything, so you don’t have to take any of my advise, it’s okay I won’t be offended, lol. ☺ Anyways buddy, I’m sure I’ll see you around the forum sooner or later.

Pleasant dreams… MidgarFanatic.

[JET73L]

Originally Posted by Terminal Est

what these creatures looked like and what they were doing? What do you think this represents for you? That is, if you do not mind.

Except for the freaky one with red hair (not fur, hair) they looked exactly like the SH4 creatures you first meet in the subway, and act like them too. But like I said, they're al dead and spitted on wires now, indicating a much greater threat (possibly psychological that I had found something worse than the faears that now seem trivial. {maybe spiders}).

Originally Posted by Terminal Est

Yes, waking in the middle of a dream is not uncommon, especially when the classic situation occurs-falling off from a cliff or some such thing. I wonder why that is?

Most people believe in the VR death thing, how if your mind truly believes you're dead, subconsciously and cosciously, that nothing is going to convince your body otherwise. Could be that there is a "program" in one's mind that automatically tries to wake you up if you're in mortal danger, whether you know if you're asleep or not. If you don't wake up, it means you're probably awake and about to die anyway.
PS: that could be an explanation for the thing where little kids occasionally die whilst sleeping for no reason, if they develop dreams with fatal outcomes before developing the "error proofing."

Originally Posted by Terminal Est

A few nights ago, I dreamt that I was debating with myself which Wild Arms to play-3 or 4? Quite wtf indeed! *Laughs!*

Seriously! that's totally "WTF"

@Midgar Fanatic:
-I never thought about concept art. Only games and commercials. That would make sense without including the paranormal.
-although, yeah, I've 'seen' stuff before, that later happened.
-I don't normally remember more than a few details from my dreams other than these, if I remember them at all.
-and whaddaya mean, "pleasant dreams"?!?!