Wonders of the heart and mind - Final Fantasy Net

Shinshiro Matsume · #1 01-22-2008, 04:45 AM

Who here believes in true love? to be with someone because both people truly love each other. who thinks true or not and why.

Terminal Est · #2 01-22-2008, 05:51 AM

Love is a biological reaction activated by the brain which motivates us to procreate the human race. This, I derive from the fact that most often then not, the popular definition of love we have given it is constantly contradicted by adultery, divorce and all sorts of other fun and common elements of negative nature which is always found in couples, and underlined as something going ''wrong''. (I believe it to be very natural-else why would it happen so much?) Most animals part after having the offspring, why would it be different with us-if you, indeed, consider that we are part of the animal kingdom.

The emotion makes us feel and rationalize different things from what it truly entails in order to pursue a purpose or ''role'' which would otherwise be too ''cruel'' and direct for us to comply with, giving our social disposition and common ''goodwill'' oriented logical thought process, (Hilarious.) if we knew what it was.
Emotions make you feel one thing, and this very result is needed to trigger a reaction and action form the person, and in doing so, they will accomplish whatever it is the survival instinct truly needs them to do. I believe most emotions work this way, and love is a great example, because it is one of the most primitive emotions (If that may be considered.) and signs of this theory have been pointed out and nearly established.

Things like hate or self justifications are a lot more subtle and do not always show the tips of their noses, so it may not appear this way all the time, however it is my belief that emotions are nearly ''tools'' of the brain.

Emotions do not care what they make you feel, and love is a great example, also underlined by the illogical reasoning and actions we take which are derived from such, and the social importance it seems to have adopted, despite it never leading anywhere aside from its grim but natural conclusion.

Be that as it may, this is an opinion, but a true belief. Love makes me feel and do the same things as everyone else does, despite what I believe to be truly hidden underneath, and despite what true intent it may have.

I do not think about all this crap when robbed of my logic by love. It is not a bad thing though. Love can teach you many things, and make you appreciate aspects of others, which one can always remember, as love seems to have that nasty habit of leaving itself imprinted with memory-which those in turn exist as a method of reference, and healthy paranoia.

Even parental love can easily be related to the more primitive and animal aspect, however having no children, I cannot speculate about this, only observe.

So no, I do not believe in true love, anything remotely close, in my opinion is still attributed to some other aspect of our survival.

However, I am just as guilty as anyone else for indulging in the emotion, thoughts or desires, weather I know it or not.

MidgarFanatic · #3 01-22-2008, 05:54 AM

It is interesting that this question arises, because I have just recently been discussing this question with another friend. Personally, I believe that love does in fact exist, although I think it is a rather rare and precious thing. I am not a religious man, so the idea of “love” is probably one of the most spiritual things I truly believe in. And so I find it very meaningful to me.

But to say that you are in love with another person’s soul is not to be tossed around lightly… what I mean is, if someone is unsure that they are truly in love with someone or not, then they most likely are not. At least not yet anyways. Emotional connections as strong as love are undoubtable feelings, and you are certain to know in your heart when you have experienced true love or not.

Revenant · #4 01-22-2008, 10:26 AM

I can't say I see that in present. The more I live, the more I reconise an unexistance of trua love. I have a videoclip in which Shin Matsume ends his life in autocrush cause his girlfriend...er...betrade him. It is also about Faust and Eliza from Shaman King.
( Meh, they twisted the entire storyline)

JET73L · #5 01-23-2008, 03:50 AM

Love is a combination of multiple things. The best I can figure, it is quantifiable as a pint in a thre-dimensional grid where the axes are hormonal compatibility, lust, and mental compatibility. Basically, if you're attracted to someone, you think they're hot, and you like them as a person, that's about as close to love as someone can get. There are other, minor variables, but as far as I can tell they are merely facets of the three main axes. So, I don't believ in true love as porteayed by most fiction, but I do believe in something that is similar in appearance and function, but also works in the real world, which may or may not be close enough to count.

Edit: thoise are the aspects and causes of love. From a philosophical viewpoint, there are multiple definitions, the only one of which I really believe is in one complete edition of Stranger in a Strange Land/A Martian Named Smith, by Heionlen, which I can only accurately remember when I'm really really tired or in a really phased out state of mind.

NeoFighter5 · #6 01-23-2008, 04:36 AM

well, heheheh, i certainly dont have a definition as philosofic and scientific as the ones posted above. . .i cant give you a definition. . .but i can answer your question. . .with my believes and views of the world. . .

1: no, i do not believe in true love

2: why? it's hard to explain my reasons cuz even in my head their all over the place. . .however, they(my thoughts) do come to the conclusion that it doesnt exist. . .in the religious aspect, only God truely knows what love is and is able to exercise such an idea. . .in the mortal realm, just as beauty, love is an idea. . .but i dont want to go down further. . .partly cuz i'll only confuse ppl(& myself). . .but honestly, if true love existed, there would be no divorce. . .and ppl wouldnt date left and right(claiming to be in love with dozens of ppl along the way) in search of the "right one". . .

and those are my humble thoughts. . .not quite as intricate and insightful as the ones before me, or elevated. . .but im a simple man, so what can i say?. . .

Revenant · #7 01-23-2008, 10:09 AM

It is also known that love differs us from the other creatures. They may have some feelings but they can not understand it. So, despite my position such thing as love must exist....somewhere

Firesnake · #8 01-23-2008, 12:49 PM

Yes I truely believe in true love

Terminal Est · #9 01-23-2008, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by NeoFighter5

well, heheheh, i certainly dont have a definition as philosofic and scientific as the ones posted above. . .i cant give you a definition. . .but i can answer your question. . .with my believes and views of the world. . .

1: no, i do not believe in true love

2: why? it's hard to explain my reasons cuz even in my head their all over the place. . .however, they(my thoughts) do come to the conclusion that it doesnt exist. . .in the religious aspect, only God truely knows what love is and is able to exercise such an idea. . .in the mortal realm, just as beauty, love is an idea. . .but i dont want to go down further. . .partly cuz i'll only confuse ppl(& myself). . .but honestly, if true love existed, there would be no divorce. . .and ppl wouldnt date left and right(claiming to be in love with dozens of ppl along the way) in search of the "right one". . .

and those are my humble thoughts. . .not quite as intricate and insightful as the ones before me, or elevated. . .but im a simple man, so what can i say?. . .

There is no need to worry about the intricacies or nature of your post, I understand completely what you mean. Many human virtues and traits are often seen as an ''idea'', out of the lack of confirmation we have with the general definition, such as courage or wisdom. Love could easily be interpreted this way, if only because of its fairy tale aspect.
All these things might not come alone, and if they do not, most often then not stem from some other workings, and so therefore if they are merely ideas, then they are extensions, and do not stand individually.
It is not my belief exactly per se, but I ponder it quite often myself.

Also, the religious context often included as you mention might make it even more as such, depending on one's beliefs. I do not want to get into that one though. XD

NeoFighter5 · #10 01-24-2008, 02:14 AM

lol, i honestly didnt understand what you just said terminal. . .your wording is too advance for my simple mind, it appears. . .

to me, though, love is simply a passing emotion. . .something that, as already said, blocks reason and sound logic from our thought process and thus we act in ways we usually wont had we all of our senses. . .marriage, however, being considered by many as the logical step taken by those who love each other. . .is a process that requires the individual to think cold-mindedly. . .and unfortunately love often blinds us from such. . .so people marry without giving much thought to future conflicts. . .and such is the cycle of life. . .learn by falling. . .trial and error. . .