Beating your Kids

[HantsHammer]

A lot of the problems is when the smacking comes from anger and not from an actual intrest to differ the child from a wrong doing.

Most humans are cowards and just find it easy and fullfilling to take out their aggresions on someone smaller than they are and THIS is what needs to be stopped.

[DragoonKain]

Originally Posted by HantsHammer

A lot of the problems is when the smacking comes from anger and not from an actual intrest to differ the child from a wrong doing.

Most humans are cowards and just find it easy and fullfilling to take out their aggresions on someone smaller than they are and THIS is what needs to be stopped.

On the other side of the coin, perhaps anger is exactly how you want your child to know you feel. Sometimes talking with them doesn't convey the emotion as much as turning around and slapping them does (in the case that you do not slap your child on a regular basis). If your father slapped you one time in 12 years of your life, then you know with pretty good certainty that whatever you did made him REALLY angry. This seems to be the stance that most societies (except for the MOST liberal of societies) take on physical punishment (that is, a simple slight physical gesture expressing an emotional coup-de-gras).

[HantsHammer]

The problem with anger is that it isn't the easy to control though. Sure, the odd outburst would comunicate to the child something it shouldn't do but a lot of people are prone to outburts and once they have gotten away with it once can't be held responcible to keep their anger in check in the future.

[bond of flames 2.0]

Damn i didn't know this would be controversal...yeah if the "crime" fits a beating then its necisary but for something stupid like a tantrum in a grocery store should just be left for the child to make themselves look foolish...and no i don't enjoy pain its just some shit you should get beat for like shooting out windows with a bb gun...all i got was the gun taken away and i had to measure the vans so my dad could by a tarp big enough...that isn't punishment enough i shoulda gotten an ass warming cuz its not the first time i done it...and i shot 5 windows...

[new_KEYBLADE9]

Maybe you shouldnt have shot the windows in the first place, thoguht of that?

If I was your dad, then I throw away your B+B gun, spank and slap ya, then take away all of your electronic privileges....and do the measurement thing.

[VITG]

Originally Posted by bond of flames 2.0

and no i don't enjoy pain its just some shit you should get beat for like shooting out windows with a bb gun...all i got was the gun taken away and i had to measure the vans so my dad could by a tarp big enough...that isn't punishment enough i shoulda gotten an ass warming cuz its not the first time i done it...and i shot 5 windows...

That makes no sense at all. The point of a punishment is to make you see that what you did was wrong, and clearly you do because you think your father should've given you a bigger punishment.

Either that or you're just a screwed up person because you knew what you were doing was wrong yet you carried on, or maybe you're masochist and did it because you wanted a spanking from pappy :P (I know it's already been suggested but...I think you should give it more though)

[bond of flames 2.0]

I did it to cause anger and distress cuz i'm sick of my aunt and cousins getting more attention from my dad then me..long story...and yeah i did it anyway knowing it was wrong but i just have this thing where its to tempting anyway its was an attention seeking thing in the wrong direction and it didn't work anyway so it was for naut...but i still believe what i said before.

[Terminal Est]

So is this topic dealing on thoughts of physical disciplinary means or straight out child abuse?

Because there is a goddamn difference.

No matter what laws have been established about hitting children, beating the crap out of a child so that he or she makes up stories at school of how they might have obtained a black eye or a bruise is a completely different matter.

And on that latter, my thoughts would not be so much different then anyone with half a mind or those who pretend to care of such things.

Perhaps parents that do such things suffer from an unstable state of mind, or such actions are reflective of their own childhood as is often suggested, but even then...I am of the mind that if someone has enough of a conscience to know that they are tricking or controlling a child in such ways should know the state of what they do, that is to be completely aware of their actions and their given popular morals...if I can even use such a word.
Of course, that is not always the case, this I know, but even then I find it rather hard to think so many of us let these things pass. Not just civilians, but the justice system itself.

As for raising children this way, I could not really say what would be best. I have no idea how to raise children, but I am guessing a good slap once in a while might set some things straight. But even THAT is linked to how one treats their child in the first place, right?
Physical issues are a subject of their own, but I think one must also consider the mental side of the subject as well, because wanting it or not, the grasping of the situation on behalf of the child, before and after the action will resonate some sort of an impact or another.

What are your beliefs/view/opinions on parents beating their kids...Me if the kid is bad enough and what they did is like...Shooting windows out with a bb gun then they deserve a good beating...anythoughts

Is that really the best thing to do though..? Children, depending on the age range in any case, do not always grasp the importance or severity of their actions.
One would have to explain to them and make them understand the significance of what they did before one puts their hand to them. Because otherwise, this child might not understand why he is being hit.
Well, just a thought.

[The Graceful Assassin]

This all depends on the general severity of the so called "beating". If it is worthy of being deemed a beating, I consider that to be abuse. Like you said terminal Est, there is a fine line between physical disciplinary measures and just plain child abuse.

Where they draw that line is totally relative to the perspective of the parent raising a child, which can be totally different than what our courts consider standard.

But after all, 90% of communication is through body language, so parents can just simply apply the same logic. A scream is harsher than a raised voice. A punch is harsher and less necessary than a light slap.

[Warrior of Light]

Heres a music video discussing child abuse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uvgk7CAjL0
Its ok to whip your kid if they diserive it, but once you do it cus you angry, then you cross the line. Also, you cant expect a 3 year old to act like a muture adult, so dont expect them to like like it. I find most parents hitting kids cus they act there age, wich if they get hit becouse of it I consider child abuse. Also becouse the parents are drunks.